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« Reply #30 on Apr 28, 2005, 6:27pm » | |
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circe i am chill what makes you think im not?im not discussing it futher but responding to you which you think im somehow outraged by this pin lol |
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I guess it was that exclamation mark... put a smiley or 2 next time 
besides, I think we're ruining a pinned thread... use a pm if you want to continue responding 
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« Reply #31 on Apr 28, 2005, 7:08pm » | |
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Thank you, Ghost. You and Faelcind are my favourite celts...
NO. Ancient Berbers had a script system composed of symbols with very simple geometric forms. Berbers called that system Tifinagh, which means our finding : |
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The name Tifinagh means 'the Phoenician letters', or possibly comes from the Greek word for writing tablet, 'pínaks'.
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tifinagh.htm
the Berber language has not been written - until fairly recently - except as short inscriptions on monuments. The Berber alphabet that was used for this task in antiquity is called Tifinagh and consists of a number of strange-looking phonetic symbols. It is probably derived from the Phoenician alphabet and has only symbols for consonants. Some Berber activists have tried to augment the consonant symbols with vowel symbols. This modern form of Tifinagh is sometimes heroically used to write Berber, most often only by the activists themselves. Most people who are literate in Berber use the Latin letter system for writing Tamazight
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=194215
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« Reply #32 on May 3, 2005, 1:18pm » | |
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doubtful.
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the Berber language has not been written - until fairly recently - except as short inscriptions on monuments. The Berber alphabet that was used for this task in antiquity is called Tifinagh and consists of a number of strange-looking phonetic symbols. It is probably derived from the Phoenician alphabet and has only symbols for consonants. Some Berber activists have tried to augment the consonant symbols with vowel symbols. This modern form of Tifinagh is sometimes heroically used to write Berber, most often only by the activists themselves. Most people who are literate in Berber use the Latin letter system for writing Tamazight
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=194215
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Tifinagh scripts are highly symbolic and carries affective meanings and attachement to Berber identity... those scripts are legitime, with any doubts in a linguistic, historical and cultural way.
http://www.mondeberbere.com/geldasent/galerie.htm
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« Reply #33 on May 3, 2005, 3:46pm » | |
@Amksa: In order for you to understand Tutamo's position vis-à-vis Berbers, I think you should read this thread.
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« Reply #34 on May 3, 2005, 5:47pm » | |
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Ok can you post something so i can understand that is legitimate.
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ok post something so we can understand that holds some educated merit?
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Tautamo
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« Reply #35 on May 3, 2005, 5:48pm » | |
Quote:| @Amksa: In order for you to understand Tutamo's position vis-à-vis Berbers, I think you should read this thread. |
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and? please tell us my position Berter.
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amksa
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« Reply #36 on May 4, 2005, 5:28am » | |
Quote:| @Amksa: In order for you to understand Tutamo's position vis-à-vis Berbers, I think you should read this thread. |
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je comprends pas le thread que tu as posté. tu veux dire que Tautamo croit que les vrais Berbères sont espagnols ou protugais ?
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« Reply #37 on May 4, 2005, 5:56am » | |
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Ok can you post something so i can understand that is legitimate.
ok post something so we can understand that holds some educated merit?
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what i meant by affective meanings :
During Antiquity, this script had already an "identity" fonction of berberitude because inscriptions in libyco-berber were devoted, consecrated to Berber kings (Massinissa) or to high status dignitaries, and many "natives" wrote epitaphs to their dead parents in libyco-berber whereas they were literate in punic or latin scripts.
I think that the use in those time of bilingual (latin/libyco-berber) inscriptions, wich was mostly observable in epitaphs of Berbers who served in Roman army, confirms the fonction of membership to Berber identity of the Libyco-Berber scripts...
...and today, it works in the same way, even if the use of this script isn't widely spread yet, Tifinagh has a powerful symbolic potential.
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« Reply #38 on May 4, 2005, 12:50pm » | |
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je comprends pas le thread que tu as posté. tu veux dire que Tautamo croit que les vrais Berbères sont espagnols ou protugais ? |
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Si j'ai bien compris ses contributions aux discussions relatives aux berbères, Tautamo croit que :
(1) Les éléments blancs des populations berbères, en particulier la majorité des riffains et des kabyles, ne sont pas authentiquement nord-africains (= berbères), mais sont plutôt d'origine phénicienne;
(2) Tous les aspects culturels de la culture bèrbère sont également d'origine phénicienne.
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« Reply #39 on May 4, 2005, 1:13pm » | |
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Si j'ai bien compris ses contributions aux discussions relatives aux berbères, Tautamo croit que :
(1) Les éléments blancs des populations berbères, en particulier la majorité des riffains et des kabyles, ne sont pas authentiquement nord-africains (= berbères), mais sont plutôt d'origine phénicienne;
(2) Tous les aspects culturels de la culture bèrbère sont également d'origine phénicienne.
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no i dont you liar!
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« Reply #40 on May 4, 2005, 1:17pm » | |
someone should warn berter that he is as a mod is breaking the first rule of proboard non english is not allowed!
btw berter show me a qoute of mine which i say white berbers are orignally phénicienne what i did post was something interesting with some merit about the symbols (it wasnt even an attack as you and circe seemed to have assumed.) NOW POST SOMTHING THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE AS TRUTH so i can read it .thats the whole point of the board.dont get all jumpy and start putting words in my mouth
BERTER AS A MOD SUCKS end of story
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« Reply #41 on May 4, 2005, 1:30pm » | |
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I said if I understand your contributions to the berber threads very well.
Btw, I entended to post a translation of my french-post after responding to a post of Faelcind. I have priorities, man! 
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« Reply #42 on May 4, 2005, 1:41pm » | |
Quote:| someone should warn berter that he is as a mod is breaking the first rule of proboard non english is not allowed! |
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I know that rule.
Quote:| btw berter show me a qoute of mine which i say white berbers are orignally phénicienne what i did post was something interesting with some merit about the symbols (it wasnt even an attack as you and circe seemed to have assumed.) NOW POST SOMTHING THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE AS TRUTH so i can read it .thats the whole point of the board.dont get all jumpy and start putting words in my mouth |
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Well, In the thread I posted you seem like you believe white berbers should have some foreign origin (sepharidic for example). I confused you with Circe and Regularguy who both believe white berbers are phoenicians' descendants.
Sorry!
Quote:| BERTER AS A MOD SUCKS end of story |
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You already said it ( Remember--- Berter as a mod, CRAP!  ).
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« Reply #43 on May 4, 2005, 2:06pm » | |
Quote:| I confused you with Circe and Regularguy who both believe white berbers are phoenicians' descendants. |
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Where the heck did you get this from?
I've never written anything of the sort!
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« Reply #44 on May 4, 2005, 2:13pm » | |
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Where the heck did you get this from?
I've never written anything of the sort! |
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Go here.
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